13 thoughts on “ఇష్రాత్ జహాన్, హిందూత్వ మరియు ఒక ఆంగ్ల ఛానెల్!”

1. రాజ్యం తలుచుకుంటే తిమ్మినిబమ్మి చేయడం(ప్రచారం) ఎంతసులువోసల్లకుకట్టినట్లు తెలియజేస్తున్నా సామాన్యులు దీనిని అంత సీరియస్ గా తీసుకోరెందుకో? దీనిని తెలియజేయాల్సిన వారు ఎందుకంత బలహీనంగా ఉంటారు? దీనివల్ల వాళ్ళకీ ఉపయోగం ఉందికదా!
2. కశ్మీర్‌పై హిందూత్వవాదులకి ద్వేషమా లేదా జనానికి ద్వేషమా? కశ్మీర్‌ని ప్రత్యేక దేశంగా ఏర్పాటు చెయ్యాలని కోరే PDPతో భాజపా ఎందుకు పొత్తు పెట్టుకుంది అని ఫేస్‌బుక్‌లో ఒకాయన వ్రాస్తే భాజపా అభిమానులు దానికి సమాధానం చెప్పకుండా “భారత్ మాతా కీ జై అన్నందుకు ఫలానా వ్యక్తిని కొట్టారు” అని వార్తలు వ్రాసి ఉన్న క్లిప్పింగ్‌లు పెట్టారు.
3. “ఇష్రాత్ జహాన్ మరో ముగ్గురిని గుజరాత్ పోలీసులు ఎన్ కౌంటర్ లో చంపేశారు. వారు లష్కర్ తీవ్రవాదులు అని పోలీసులు ప్రకటించారు” అన్న సంగతి పత్రికల్లో లష్కర్ తీవ్రవాదులు చదివారు. చదివినదానిని వారు మాట్లాడుకున్నారు. అది హేడ్లీ విన్నాడు. ‘ఓహో, ఇండియాలో ఇష్రాత్ జహాన్ అనే పేరుతో లష్కర్ సభ్యురాలు ఉన్నది, ఆమెను చంపారు’ అని హెడ్లీ అనుకున్నాడు. అనుకున్నదాన్ని ఎన్‌ఐ‌ఏ కు చెప్పాడు. ఎన్‌ఐ‌ఏ దానిని ‘పుకారు’ అని చెత్తబుట్టలోకి సరిగ్గానే విసిరిపారేసింది.

   yeh right, he called you yester day and revealed that in person.
   If you follow David’s news from the begining you will know that he revealed some other names too who belong to LeT and in India, obviously you wanted to prove some one is wrong, rather than proving or providing information on who is right.
4. So you can see only that part in the entire article. I have mentioned the facts in Ishrat Jahan case found out by our SIT, CBI and then confirmed by our courts. You don’t want to see them, because they do not confirm to your rock solid beliefs.

   Obviously you wanted to believe that Ishrat is a terrorist that confirms to the conspiracy hatched by powerful political forces even though it does not confirm to the facts brought about by our own ‘national’ investigative organisations.

   Belief is different from fact.

   By the way, a part of the para produced by you is my assumption, which I forgot to mention in the flow, (Will correct now). You need not believe it.
5. Now you are on the track. Lets say we are agreeing to the verdict by National investigation team and the court are correct and Ishrat is not guilty. You are with me till now right, I am also agreeing. But the same system told that Afzhal and Ayub are culprits and terrorists they why the heck you deny that? Why all these double standards.?? If chidambaram says its truth, Mani says something its not truth because he is hindutva vadi.
   My friend it is you who thinks all your beliefs as facts and that belief is anti hindutva. For the thousandth time hindutva is beyond caste or religion system, it is a life style – no one is the registered owener of Hindutva – not you, not me, not modi, not RSS not VHP and hell no not ABVP. What ever Kanhayya and group did in a University is wrong and the leftiests interfering in university matter is much wrong. Now you will say Kanhayya did not say anything about Afzal. Well there were slogans in favor of him when Kanhayya organised a meeting so if he did support personally or not .. he is guilty of going against the nation. Just like modi did not attack directly in Gujarat doesnot make him not involved in the roits.
   When your articles are unbiased then lets debate logically. If you write based on assumptions commenters also have assumptions, respect that.
6. Well you can assume what you like. Who opposed you?

   I think this is the first time your comment appeared on this blog, unless you have come with some other name. Then how come the question of disrespecting your comments? It’s strange you mention so.

   For your information, this blog is not unbiased. It is biased. It is biased against all types of oppression… class, caste, religion, region, gender and what not! At this point time, It is biased against Hindutva’s oppressive politics.

   And spare me from your Hindutva teachings. I’m not interested. I oppose Hindutva politics. Whether you agree with it or not, the essence of Hinduism is caste. Without caste it can not exist. Our agreements and disagreements do not change that.

   Leftists interfering in universities etc?! What are you talking about my friend? They are not in power to interfere in the goings of universities per se. Are they roaming on streets and parks on Feb 14ths to marry a girl and a boy simply because they are talking to each other or sitting on a bench? Are they attacking pub going girls? Are they attacking birthday parties branding them as rave parties? Are they blocking union activities of students’ organizations? Are they violently blocking screening of documentaries like ‘Muzaffarnagar baqui hai’? Are they blocking proceedings of courts like Patiala house courts? Are they attacking students and journalists in the guise of practicing lawyers? Are they certifying who is national and who is not? Are they killing Akhlaqs? Even today AMU had to cancel a discussion program where Kanhayya is expected to speak! And you are lecturing about beliefs and facts! Very sorry.

   Forget about Kanhayya. I’m talking about Afzal Guru. If you did notice properly I’ve written many articles opposing arbitrary hanging of Afzal Guru many months before Kanhayya and Khalid came onto the scene. I wrote articles supporting right of Kashmiri people for self determination as per the ‘Instrument of Accession’ and ‘plebiscite offer’ by the Indian Govt.

   And you talk about logical debate!

   I’m nowhere near your crooked logical debate. I’m biased towards working masses of this country. I’m biased towards safeguarding the resources of this country from the loot and plunder of foreign companies and their Indian supporters who are busy in projecting themselves as nationalists to cover their anti-people and hence anti-national rule.
7. I like your reply. At least you said you are biased. I came here because the title says ‘teluguvarthalu’ may be its a decoy. You declared it as Red zone so thanks for the disclaimer.

   If you were talking about The moral policing by Bhajarangi Dal, VHP is wrong doing all you mentioned above on Feb14th etc, yes they are wrong. That doesn’t make what leftists does in universities is right. I am also an alumni member of couple of universities and I exactly know what I meant so I don’t want to or need to explain.

   If you believe Afzal guru’s hanging is arbitrary then I have nothing to say. That means the investigation is right in case of Ishrat and wrong in case of Afzal according to you. And you call my logic is crooked. I am not biased hence I look forward to seek the truth and agrees to what is truth. If BJP is wrong they are wrong.. if Congress is wrong they are wrong too. I believe in greater good for the country which is the true biased feeling towards masses for me. Hatred towards entire system or castism is not going to do any favor to the working class. I am not here to preach you Hinduism, I said Hindutva – both are two different entities and our discussion is not on that topic.

   I never said you disrespected my comments, it’s strange that you interpreted so. I saw couple of your posts mentioning some of the other commenter’s. Any ways you clearly mentioned your intensions so enjoy with your beliefs I have no arguments. There is nothing wrong with standing on their own grounds as long as one is not hypocritical and do not have double standards.

   FYI,
   https://teluguvartalu.com/2016/03/13/%E0%B0%B5%E0%B1%88%E0%B0%B5%E0%B0%BF%E0%B0%A7%E0%B1%8D%E0%B0%AF%E0%B0%BE%E0%B0%A8%E0%B0%BF%E0%B0%95%E0%B1%80-%E0%B0%AC%E0%B0%B9%E0%B1%81%E0%B0%B3-%E0%B0%97%E0%B1%8A%E0%B0%82%E0%B0%A4%E0%B1%81/#comments

   https://teluguvartalu.com/2016/03/04/%E0%B0%B5%E0%B1%80%E0%B0%A1%E0%B0%BF%E0%B0%AF%E0%B1%8B-%E0%B0%AE%E0%B0%BE%E0%B0%B0%E0%B1%8D%E0%B0%AB%E0%B0%BF%E0%B0%82%E0%B0%97%E0%B1%8D-%E0%B0%B8%E0%B1%8D%E0%B0%AE%E0%B1%83%E0%B0%A4%E0%B0%BF/#comments
8. “That means the investigation is right in case of Ishrat and wrong in case of Afzal according to you.”

   Yes, that’s right. Ishrat investigation is right because there are material evidences as well as circumstantial evidences that were brought before the court. Afzal Guru investigation is wrong because there is not an iota of material evidence to support Afzal’s conviction. There are plenty of circumstantial evidences that negate the so called circumstantial evidences purported to be supporting conviction.

   As I said in various posts earlier, the supreme court itself agreed that there were no material evidences, still upheld the conviction “to satisfy collective conscience of the nation.”

   Yes, you are right. Hinduism and Hindutva are different. But the problem is that Hinduism is the blood of Hindutva. Body is different from blood but body can not exist without blood. The rallying point of Hindutva is Hinduism or so called Hindu culture.

   “If you write based on assumptions commenters also have assumptions, respect that.”

   Doesn’t this mean I disrespected some commenters. Since you wrote this didn’t it mean that commenter was you? I’ve replied to some comments. Replying a comment with a post is actually equal to putting high regard on that comment and identifying that comment as an important one. It is respect, not disrespect.

   You seem to be think that there are only black and white. Hope I’m wrong. But sadly your conclusions says otherwise.

   Isn’t it possible for courts to give some wrong judgements? It is possible, in my understanding. It is possible for one court giving right judgement and another court giving wrong judgement. It is also possible for the same court giving right judgement in one case and wrong in another case. You can’t just make a sweeping statement ‘if one judgement is right then every other one is right, if one is wrong then every other one is wrong. There are several grey shades. You may have to identify them case by case basis. One should also be objective.

   Teluguvartalu is domain name. Title says news and analysis. You may have to note it.

   You like it or not, there is nothing like unbiased. One should always be biased towards truth and against deception. Deception doesn’t disclose itself. It has many disguises that appear to be truth. Sadly, there are no straight and easy ways to uncover deception.

   Yes, I am wrong about this being your first comment. I stand corrected. Thank you.
9. The posts you start based on a comment in another post are not always of high regard, but of utter mocery sometimes. I know that, the readers know that and you too know that.

   There is a lot of materialistic evidence in ayodhya that babri masid is a hindu temple before it became masid. But people took the court hearing in their own convenient way so that even the supreme court had to give a diplomatic verdict. That is the unfortunate situation in India. Media and intellectuals bully common people’s mind in such a way that saying out loud what is turth is sometimes wrong. In Afzal’s case there is enough evidence to determine. The final verdict was that he is guilty. Period. No court comes to conclusion with out enough evidence.

   So you wanted to take the entire proceedings in Afzal’s case including the verdict based on your convenience and deceptive beliefs. Its just not enough for you and other Afzal supporters to believe that he is guilty, for me it is. You do not need the same magnitude of evidence in every case. Evidence should be sufficient to prove the crime, in the case I mentioned above the so called circumstantial evidences were enough to prove but there were other showcases too. I got the answers i needed. One person’s truth is other’s deception in any court case. What you believe is completely opposite to what you believe so there will be no conclusion. I am stopping it here.
10. It seems you are hell bent to prove that I disrespected some people. You go through those articles once again. One can find that I respected the commenters and criticized their contentions.

    ” I know that, the readers know that and you too know that.”

    What is this! As if you have the power of telepathy? You are disregarding what I say even assuming what other readers think, and inclined to believe what you assume. To hell with it!

    I’ve already written regarding Afzal’s case. The supreme court clarified in various judgements that only circumstantial evidences did not suffice for conviction. There should be material evidences to support circumstantial evidences. Unless there are material evidences corroborating the circumstantial, the courts should not go for conviction. I thought you have known this, so I omitted it above. It seems my assumption is wrong.

    Material evidence in Ayodhya? You have to understand that the historians should agree to what Hindutva historians propose. Excavations should be scientific. There have to be done certain forensic tests. All those findings have to be preserved in order for other historians to examine. Even when all of these procedures are followed, there could be differences in inferences of different historians. But still, there could be common thread.

    These procedures are not followed in Babri incident. There was only a frenzy mob hell bent to bring down the masque, incited by mindless Hindutva propaganda, preoccupied with undemocratic views of beliefs. This is not scientific approach. This is not evidence. This is politically motivated destruction of a structure.
11. No one ask for DNA proof to believe who their parents are. Not always scientific proofs are required. Substantial evidences are enough in certain situations.
    In Afzal case – there were enough evidences. It’s not required to have CCTV footage always.
    For Ayodhya dispute – ASI did numerous investigations, excavations and declared that there is a clear evidence of underlying structure resembles hindu temple under the demolished Mosque structure which is further ancient than the actual mosque structure or the new temple structure.

    I totally forgot whom I am talking to. You will not believe any thing against your will even there are evidences apparently those were produced incorrectly per your deception unless they state per your wish. For people like you Afzal is martyr and kanhayya is next bhagat singh. May god bless your ignorant soul. Amen!
12. @vsheakr Good counter explanation
13. And you said “I’m stopping here”!

    “No one ask for DNA proof to believe who their parents are. Not always scientific proofs are required.”

    It’s your belief. It is unscientific. If you remember the courts asked for Tiwari’s DNA to make him accept that Rohith Sekhar was his son. One of my colleagues is going to face the same test. (His son is under my guardianship.)

    “Substantial evidences are enough in certain situations.”

    What is meant by “substantial evidences”? It is open to anybody’s imagination and one can always say their view is substantial.

    “In Afzal case – there were enough evidences.”

    Yeah! Like Modi the PM declaring “more than 7,000 villages were electrified during last year”, where as thousands of them still remaining un-electrified as per his own engineers’ admission.

    Excavations should be scientific. ASI’s inferences were widely criticized by historians as unscientific and biased towards ruling classes’ vote bank needs. When excavations are corrupted to satisfy mob frenzy, biased inferences follow automatically.

    Your guess is right. Some of ASI’s inferences are camouflaged deceptions.

    Will you please stop patting your own shoulders? It seems you tend to assume you are sanctioned by divine right to look down upon people in discussion with you. Discussions should be free from such prejudices, overconfidence and dominating voice. Good luck!

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